Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Page 2 sur 2 Précédent  1, 2

Voir le sujet précédent Voir le sujet suivant Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  MurielB le Mer 3 Avr - 14:03

Hello everyone
Thanks to "Le magazine de la santé / http://www.allodocteurs.fr/ " or internet patients know a lot about their diseases sometimes more than their GP. But why are doctors so important ? Doctors are trained to look at symptoms first when they examine you but there is more than that. you are not a desease but a person who wants to be treated or given good advice Very Happy . Your GP has experience and that 's the difference.
Anyway it is important to find out about every subject thanks to books, internet, television (Also your favorite forum). Medecine is a very interesting one.

_________________
Merci de me faire part des grosses fautes dans mes messages en langue étrangère. Grâce à vos remarques, je pourrai m'améliorer :-)
avatar
MurielB
Admin

Messages : 12282
Lieu : Calais
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), Gb, De, It, Es

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Jeu 4 Avr - 0:17

Hi Muriel, hi everyone,

I now found my GP: she is close to retirement and understand medecine as I like it.

Several times, with other GPs, when I needed advice regarding a small disease (or say questioning), they began to send me to take an RMI, and/or to a cardiologist, and/or to another specialist so that before I could get a date for my consultations, the symptoms had disappeared and I never had any response nor advice.

> Doctors are trained to look at symptoms first
Maybe they were but they forgot.

> you are not a desease but a person
I don't agree... that's not my feeling. They first deal with the disease ie lots of specialists, exams and medecine.

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  MurielB le Jeu 4 Avr - 8:18

gerardM a écrit:

> Doctors are trained to look at symptoms first
Maybe they were but they forgot.

> you are not a desease but a person
I don't agree... that's not my feeling. They first deal with the disease ie lots of specialists, exams and medecine.
Hi Gerard everyone
Don't you think that it is better for a GP to hand over to a specialist than treat a desease they don't know, in fact it is very wise.
A desease is not the same for everyone and people somatize. For instance. you have a pain in the back because you are fed up with your job In french (j'en ai plein le dos) psychology is important don't you think ?

_________________
Merci de me faire part des grosses fautes dans mes messages en langue étrangère. Grâce à vos remarques, je pourrai m'améliorer :-)
avatar
MurielB
Admin

Messages : 12282
Lieu : Calais
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), Gb, De, It, Es

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Jeu 4 Avr - 21:20

Hi Muriel, hi everyone,

I do agree psychology is important.
Doctors must continuously get trained otherwise they don't have to practice, as doctors have a huge power.
I personally consider disease as normal, as a part of life. Of course it can be very serious and need immediate treatment but most disease are alarms given by the body.
Symptoms must not be hidden by medecine.

Yes life expectancy was increased.
However, there are lots of accidents with medecine (Fr "médicaments"); chemical firms grow more and more and even want to master everything such as Monsanto.
France has lots of high scores in medecine (Fr "médicaments"); it would be better to have this scores in economy.

GPs should help people master their health and not prescribe so much medecine.
Doctors took too much power in the last decades... French people became unable to master their own health.

I wonder if "ceinture du Docteur Gibaud" and "Thermolactyl de Damart" still exit. Wink

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  MurielB le Jeu 4 Avr - 21:53

gerardM a écrit:

chemical firms grow more and more and even want to master everything such as Monsanto.
Hello Gérard, everyone
I agree with you and you have to be careful especially if you have to start a long term treatment
Thank you for "disease" because I thought it was "desease"
I don't think doctors are powerful. Like the parish-Priest and the school master they have become ordinary people (it was not true some decades ago)

_________________
Merci de me faire part des grosses fautes dans mes messages en langue étrangère. Grâce à vos remarques, je pourrai m'améliorer :-)
avatar
MurielB
Admin

Messages : 12282
Lieu : Calais
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), Gb, De, It, Es

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Ven 5 Avr - 14:39

Hi Muriel, hi everyone,

I'm rather harsh for doctors.

However, there're doctors I do like, those who deal with patients more than with money, power, and medecine, and colleagues, and carreer.

Someone I like is Patrick Pelloux. He's talented and loves his job. His patients are in bad and urgent conditions and won't be sent to visit 36 specialists to be kind to colleagues. PP makes quick and good diagnosis. When something is poorly organized in French medecine, we hear him shout.
He also works at Charlie Hebdo scratch ; he also write books. scratch
He just published another very interesting book about the last instants of famous people.

Another doctor I like is Irène Frachon. She too is able to yell when something is not normal: I do like!

Again, if I'm so critical of GPs, it's because they should have the most important role among doctors, to help patients, to explain, to advise, etc. and as far as I can see it, they are not good in that field: I hear they rather follow labs, they obey patients in prescribing medecine, etc. What?? affraid
We need them!!

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  MurielB le Ven 5 Avr - 21:38

Hi Gérard, everyone
As I had told you, I belong to a medical family. My father was a GP in the seventies. At that time he had to do everything and hardly handed over to a specialist. Deliveries were difficult because he had to get up during the night and still start his surgery at 7 in the morning. He was devoted to his patients. At that time doctors were highly regarded and nobody was taking action against their GP like to-day.
What is important between a doctor and his patients is "confidence". When a person has every confidence in his GP, this one (If he is a good well trained doctor of course) will do everything in his power to pull him through (it is more important than money)
What is important is to choose the doctor who suits you Laughing

_________________
Merci de me faire part des grosses fautes dans mes messages en langue étrangère. Grâce à vos remarques, je pourrai m'améliorer :-)
avatar
MurielB
Admin

Messages : 12282
Lieu : Calais
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), Gb, De, It, Es

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Mar 9 Avr - 20:19

Hi Muriel,

MurielB a écrit:... Deliveries were difficult because he had to get up during the night and still start his surgery at 7 in the morning.
For French people" LOL I'd like to point out that "surgery" is not only the act of surgeons with their bistouries. This term has got other meanings:
- opening the belly (sorry, my own terms)
- GB only - the room in which doctors (and dentists) work
- GB only - consultation time of doctots and also for MPs
- Us only - operating room

He was devoted to his patients. At that time doctors were highly regarded
...
this one (If he is a good well trained doctor of course) will do everything in his power to pull him through (it is more important than money)
The GP deserves money for their devotion.
We need such GPs and we need people we can trust.

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  MurielB le Mar 9 Avr - 23:30

gerardM a écrit:


We need such GPs and we need people we can trust.
Thank you very much, Gérard ! Of course I am proud of my father ! The problem is that he had too much work and had no time for his private life !

_________________
Merci de me faire part des grosses fautes dans mes messages en langue étrangère. Grâce à vos remarques, je pourrai m'améliorer :-)
avatar
MurielB
Admin

Messages : 12282
Lieu : Calais
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), Gb, De, It, Es

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Mer 10 Avr - 13:49

Hi Muriel,

> he had too much work and had no time for his private life !
That's a bit too much!
When I was younger and had to work, I was spending my day with servers, Personal Computers and users in my company. In the night, I was spending a big part of my night with users throughout the world to help them repair the operationg system of their computers (ie the similar tasks)... I stayued on the Internet till 2 am (to stay with my American colleagues).
I was sleeping for about 4 hours, hardly 5 in the weekends.
That is my passion.

Nowadays, I'm going to bed around 1 am and I sleep for 6 hours, including on weekends.

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  Invité le Mer 8 Mai - 17:13

My husband set up his surgery in 1938. At that time GPs were devoted to their patients and were ready to go and help night and day. GPs had to take the Hippocratic oath : They had to give treatment for free to anybody even when they were too poor to pay. I think that the mentality is completely different.

Invité
Invité


Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Mer 8 Mai - 17:33

Hi nenette,

nenette a écrit:My husband set up his surgery in 1938. At that time GP.s were devoted to their patients and were ready to go and help night and day.
1938...
Things changed a lot since that period:
- doctors and nurses
- priests
- schoolmasters and teachers
devoted their lives 24/7
- self-employed workers were in their shops any time at their will and they manufactured the best products they could.

Nowadays, there is salaried status, fixed schedules and a hierarchy, which led to people not knowing what they work for, to programmed obsolescence, and the loss of any conscientiousness

I think that wage earning is more established in France than abroad (US, UK, Germany...)

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Re: Le magazine de la santé - Allo docteurs -

Message  gerardM le Ven 24 Mai - 17:46

This book is for me... Very Happy

-> Le meilleur médicament, c'est vous, a book written by Frédéric Saldmann - €17,96 Amazon, Fnac
Peut-on, dans certaines circonstances, se passer de médicaments et utiliser les ressources de notre propre corps pour être en meilleure santé? Notre corps est, sans que nous le sachions, une véritable armoire à pharmacie. Pour nous soigner, il peut faire preuve de capacités extraordinaires, parfois plus efficaces que certains médicaments.
...
Une simple pression des doigts
Réduire la sensation de faim
Prévenir les troubles du sommeil
30% additional calories = 20% less life.

-> YouTube

That's medecine as I think it!

_________________
Please feel free to point out big mistakes in my messages in a foreign language. Thanks to your remarks, I'll be able to improve my level.
PS: Pls note that I chose American English for my vocabulary, grammar, spelling, culture, etc.  :-)
avatar
gerardM

Messages : 33945
Lieu : Ermont & Eaubonne café-langues (Val d'Oise)
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), US-En, De, It, Ru

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur http://volangues.blogspot.com/

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

If food products were honestly labeled

Message  MurielB le Ven 31 Mai - 12:59

You are right Gérard and everyone is responsible for their own health, I like your book !
Anyway a few simple things could help???
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151640146897722&set=a.10150108003162722.290341.281168802721&type=1&theater

_________________
Merci de me faire part des grosses fautes dans mes messages en langue étrangère. Grâce à vos remarques, je pourrai m'améliorer :-)
avatar
MurielB
Admin

Messages : 12282
Lieu : Calais
Langues : Français (Langue maternelle), Gb, De, It, Es

Voir le profil de l'utilisateur

Revenir en haut Aller en bas

Page 2 sur 2 Précédent  1, 2

Voir le sujet précédent Voir le sujet suivant Revenir en haut


 
Permission de ce forum:
Vous ne pouvez pas répondre aux sujets dans ce forum